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Sekhmet
01-31-2007, 10:48 AM
I thought I had seen a post here earlier regarding taxes and necessities but I might be incorrect. But I did feel the need to bring this subject up.

People that are on assistance should not be able to buy computers, cigarettes, alcohol, new furniture etc. I pay my tax portion, and more I am sure, and yet I constantly see people who are on "assistance" getting farther ahead than I and my family.

People who live on assistance should not be making a living by doing things on the side that are not claimed tax wise. Nor should they be looking to the government for more help when they may be quiet capable of helping themselves.

People who do such things should be reported for this. It is thievery and incorrect!

That is my opinion.

Tara
01-31-2007, 11:00 AM
Also they shouldnt have people living with them when they shouldnt be, and then that persons income is helping pay the bills as well.

6sixstring6
01-31-2007, 11:21 AM
hang on, cause you're going to get blasted for thosw statements.

vanessalynn5484
01-31-2007, 11:23 AM
People who abuse the system is one thing, but bashing everyone on assistance is so inappropriate. I am sick of reading posts about people putting an entire group of people down. It is narrow-minded. Did you ever stop to think how many people reading these forums may be on assistance and how bad you probably just made them feel about themselves?

What gives you the authority to decide what people on assistance should be able to purchase? I know you may respond "I pay my taxes", but I don't think that answer is good enough.

Also I don't think medical reasons are the only justifiable reasons people may need to go on welfare. Some other examples would be single moms or widows. PLEASE do not start bashing single mothers....I think that [bashing them] is wrong too and will offend a lot of people who do not deserve it.

I think your thread is going to cause fighting among isaintjohners, but good luck with it.

That's just my two cents I guess.... :o


I thought I had seen a post here earlier regarding taxes and necessities but I might be incorrect. But I did feel the need to bring this subject up.

People that are on assistance should not be able to buy computers, cigarettes, alcohol, new furniture etc. I pay my tax portion, and more I am sure, and yet I constantly see people who are on "assistance" getting farther ahead than I and my family.

People who live on assistance should not be making a living by doing things on the side that are not claimed tax wise. Nor should they be looking to the government for more help when they may be quiet capable of helping themselves.

People who do such things should be reported for this. It is thievery and incorrect!

That is my opinion.

Sekhmet
01-31-2007, 11:28 AM
If I categorized all together that was not my intention.
What was and still is my intention was to give my opinion.
I do not think it is correct for people to get farther ahead on assistance than for working people paying their taxes. Now to be clear about one thing, if you are on assistance, there is very little tax to be paid on your part.
If people see themselves in the category, then one would hope they will think twice.
You asked who was I to saw what a necessity was. Alcohol etc is not a necessity. I am the person who has no issue calling the authorities on people that cheat the system. No issue with it at all.
But people who justifiably Need it, then so be it. But if they chose to be on the system rather than taking the other hard option of working, then that is the issue, a problem.
I did not introduce any other people into this discussion Vanessa-lynn, you did.

This is my opinion.

Hopefully people can see past their ego's to point out their opinions without name calling excetra.

vanessalynn5484
01-31-2007, 11:31 AM
People who abuse the system is one thing, but bashing everyone on assistance is so inappropriate. I am sick of reading posts about people putting an entire group of people down. It is narrow-minded. Did you ever stop to think how many people reading these forums may be on assistance and how bad you probably just made them feel about themselves?

What gives you the authority to decide what people on assistance should be able to purchase? I know you may respond "I pay my taxes", but I don't think that answer is good enough.

Also I don't think medical reasons are the only justifiable reasons people may need to go on welfare. Some other examples would be single moms or widows. PLEASE do not start bashing single mothers....I think that [bashing them] is wrong too and will offend a lot of people who do not deserve it.

I think your thread is going to cause fighting among isaintjohners, but good luck with it.

That's just my two cents I guess.... :o


I thought I had seen a post here earlier regarding taxes and necessities but I might be incorrect. But I did feel the need to bring this subject up.

People that are on assistance should not be able to buy computers, cigarettes, alcohol, new furniture etc. I pay my tax portion, and more I am sure, and yet I constantly see people who are on "assistance" getting farther ahead than I and my family.

People who live on assistance should not be making a living by doing things on the side that are not claimed tax wise. Nor should they be looking to the government for more help when they may be quiet capable of helping themselves.

People who do such things should be reported for this. It is thievery and incorrect!

That is my opinion.

puppyluv
01-31-2007, 11:53 AM
Since my post was the original that I hid, I will clarify what I said and what I meant.

3 years ago I was on Training , Education adn Delvelopment..basically assistance/unemployment so I could go back to school.
I recieved a certain amount of money, in which I had to pay my bills, mortgage, truck, etc etc etc etc.
While in school, to survive, I maxxed out my line of credit, my credit cards etc just so I could afford to do it... I worked part time in the summer and claimed it. I tried in the fall and couldnt do it so I left work for school.
This was my decision to max them out, to get my ged etc, and we are still trying to recoup and re-pay....

But I wasnt one of the people at the school that had flash new clothing, or expensive bags, or bragged about how high or stoned or drunk the weekend party was, or always bought lunch out or took cabs to work etc.
I was one of those students who wore the same OLD clothes, took lunches and stressed about how I was going to survive on it. Assistance was not a long term thing for me. It wasnt enjoyable, it wasnt easy and we certainly couldnt buy anything new! We would have returned the truck if we could have just to make living a better option!

My point was, (and people are missing it here) was it was not supposed to be easy...and I find it maddening that some people seem to find it easy.

vanessalynn5484
01-31-2007, 12:21 PM
Although I do not agree with everything you said, I apologize for making my post sound like it was only directed towards you (as far as generalizing people goes). I did not see puppyluv's initial thread, but now that I have read it I understand where you are coming from Sekhmet.

Some other similar posts had hurt some really nice people's feelings and I guess it just didn't sit right with me. Hopefully this thread won't result in fighting and such.

Also I don't know why, but my post seems to have been duplicated in this thread.....hmmm....


If I categorized all together that was not my intention.
What was and still is my intention was to give my opinion.
I do not think it is correct for people to get farther ahead on assistance than for working people paying their taxes. Now to be clear about one thing, if you are on assistance, there is very little tax to be paid on your part.
If people see themselves in the category, then one would hope they will think twice.
You asked who was I to saw what a necessity was. Alcohol etc is not a necessity. I am the person who has no issue calling the authorities on people that cheat the system. No issue with it at all.
But people who justifiably Need it, then so be it. But if they chose to be on the system rather than taking the other hard option of working, then that is the issue, a problem.
I did not introduce any other people into this discussion Vanessa-lynn, you did.

This is my opinion.

Hopefully people can see past their ego's to point out their opinions without name calling excetra.

Dan_Man
01-31-2007, 12:25 PM
Well said puppyluv!

girdy
01-31-2007, 01:30 PM
Here's my attempt at an answer to try and tidy up what's a difficult subject.

Government assistance (GST, Welfare, EI, ...) is intended to be a hand up, not a hand out.

There are legitimate reasons people require a hand up - medical disability or unfortunate temporary circumstances for example, and it's an obligation by our well-off society to provide a hand up to those who require help for valid reasons.

We should be helping the hand up people - even if for selfish purposes because sometime down the road we might ourselves need a hand up, and they might be the ones whose taxes enable that to happen.

A hand up means helping someone get well, to get trained for a self-sufficient income, or to make it through the unfortunate temporary circumstance to the point that they no longer require the hand up.

A hand out, is where someone deliberately perpetuates the government assistance rather than take steps within their control to sustain themselves.

Any of us not in hand out situations take great offense at the people we see in the hand out situations, because it's our current or future taxes that are being handed out.

When we express frustration at the hand out people, it's not intended to be a slight on the hand up people.

care1978
01-31-2007, 02:33 PM
Here's my attempt at an answer to try and tidy up what's a difficult subject.

Government assistance (GST, Welfare, EI, ...) is intended to be a hand up, not a hand out.

There are legitimate reasons people require a hand up - medical disability or unfortunate temporary circumstances for example, and it's an obligation by our well-off society to provide a hand up to those who require help for valid reasons.

We should be helping the hand up people - even if for selfish purposes because sometime down the road we might ourselves need a hand up, and they might be the ones whose taxes enable that to happen.

A hand up means helping someone get well, to get trained for a self-sufficient income, or to make it through the unfortunate temporary circumstance to the point that they no longer require the hand up.

A hand out, is where someone deliberately perpetuates the government assistance rather than take steps within their control to sustain themselves.

Any of us not in hand out situations take great offense at the people we see in the hand out situations, because it's our current or future taxes that are being handed out.

When we express frustration at the hand out people, it's not intended to be a slight on the hand up people.
my thoughts exactly!!!!!

sjchickie
01-31-2007, 05:34 PM
I think the only thing i have to say about this is someone made that comment that people on assistance shouldnt have people living with them

Let me tell you this much...when i first had my daughter i was 40 hours short for Unemployment and was forced to go on assistance. Not something i wanted to do but proud or not i did it. HAD IT NOT BEEN for my roommate my daughter and i would have been living in poverty like conditions and 2 people can NOT live off what the government gives you plus your child tax benefit.

I think people on assistance should be able to live with whomever they want to increase the chances their children wont be living in poverty and so that mum can feel better about herself for having an extra 100 a month to do something nice for herself and her child.

NB is so much behind other provinces its sickening...In ontario for example anyone on assistance can live with anyone they want as long as your worker knows who. Whats so wrong with that???? I take pride in my nice things and had it not been for a roommate going in on bills with me I wouldnt be where i am today. We should encourage more people on assistance to live together with someone else OR with a roommate or a friend or family ...why? because its better for society..people on social assistance in this province get treated like a number like they arent even human becuase they are down on there luck!!!and someone had the nerve to comment that they had nicer things than they did..WHO CARES who has what...your tax paying dollars are gonna go somewhere else if not to a family who needs it. YES people screw over the system but people also break the law by screwing EI, income tax, and lots of other money things and we are harping on those down on there luck who really arent greedy. No alcohol isnt a necessity but your *removed*right that some of those moms on assistance deserve a night out on the town!!!!!!! everybody does...Im so sorry to see people stereotyping others like this..just disgusts me...
its just sad that other human beings wants restrictions put on others because of A) a few losers screwing the system (but heck that happens with stuff other than assistance) and B) because "my tax paying dollars are going to..." and blah blah blah...god we are all human poor or rich white or black
Doesnt matter your tax paying dollars are getting sucked out of you regardless

girdy
01-31-2007, 06:51 PM
WHO CARES who has what...your tax paying dollars are gonna go somewhere else if not to a family who needs it. YES people screw over the system but people also break the law by screwing EI, income tax, and lots of other money things and we are harping on those down on there luck who really arent greedy.

its just sad that other human beings wants restrictions put on others because of A) a few losers screwing the system (but heck that happens with stuff other than assistance) and B) because "my tax paying dollars are going to..." and blah blah blah...god we are all human poor or rich white or black
Doesnt matter your tax paying dollars are getting sucked out of you regardless

So paraphrased, you're saying that we shouldn't be concerned about welfare fraud, because our tax money would be spent elsewhere?

Like health care for the sick?

Like education for our children?

Ya, I'm sure nobody here would want that. (sic)

sjchickie
01-31-2007, 07:01 PM
No what im saying is who the heck are you to tell people on assistance who they can and cant live with????Because the government gives you tax paying dollars you should live in some scummy 400 a month apartment in dirty area alone you and your child. What i was trying to get across was that you are focused on one minority group ...people who commit welfare fraud. What about those who commit EI fraud??? they are also taking your tax paying dollars.....What about people who lie on their income tax???They are also making others suffer for their greediness. God forbid people on welfare be allowed to live with others to supliment another source of income so that maybe they are able to do something other than sit at home and wallow????

Here is my sense why in gods name would a single mother go take out a 20,000 student loan to live for the year. When they could be on assistance and only take out a loan for books childcare and tuition. AND have a person live with them and help with bills.

OBVIOUSLY people cheating the system shouldnt be allowed...Duh? its fraud what im saying is those few people should not deter family and community services and the general public from seeing that many single mothers who are NOT committing fraud need a helping hand weather it be from a friend, roommate, border, or parents. Who cares as long as that innocent child is being brought up right

girdy
01-31-2007, 07:20 PM
Thanks for the clarification.

sjchickie
01-31-2007, 07:30 PM
uhuh!!!!!

marriedchickie
01-31-2007, 11:04 PM
just a point that wasn't mentioned. IF a parent on income assistance finds a part time job, (and i do mean IF) you can ask the government for help with child care and make an extra 200 a month (i believe) to suppliment as well. It gives the parent time away from home to help them feel better, as well as time away from the children to give them time from mom/dad to be more confident. Not asking to start a big isaintjohn war, just a point that wasn't mentioned.

tred816
02-01-2007, 12:29 AM
Has anyone here ever been on Welfare and tried to get work without it nearly putting them out on the street?
The system will pay for daycare, but if it's a private sitter, the worker has the power to take several months before the babysitter begins getting paid. Any babysitter worth his/her salt is going to want to get paid weekly or at least monthly.
I can't tell you how many times I fought the uphill battle to get off the system. I went to college, worked part time jobs, starved, did the food bank think a couple of times (which was extremely embarassing to my pride) and still got sucked back in due to things like my worker telling me, oh well, it's not my problem.

Sorry, but our system completely sucks when it comes to encouraging people to become self-sufficient.

At least they've put the health card into place. I couldn't get that either and my son has ADHD and tourettes syndrome ($200/mo for meds). Try keeping a babysitter with a kid on their ceiling?

This happens to a lot of parents on income assistance. I was one of the lucky ones who beat my head against a brick wall for ten years, but have 3.5 years on my own now.

Not everyone has the willpower to fight the battle. It isn't easy, but it sure is worth it to hold your head up high.

Now, that being said. I have my feelings about those who commit fraud, I agree with sharing living expenses within reason. There's no reason whatsoever that you should reap the rewards and be rolling in dough thanks to a room mate.
There should be a slight reduction in your check. I don't agree with the law here that states you are a common law couple if two women are room mates. That should be changed ASAP. It's a gender stereotype and if both women have kids, they should each get their own check. (reduced by a small amount for the convenience of being able to share accomodations)

I'm not on either side, but I saw 90% of the people I knew when I was on income assistance cheating the system however they could. They partied, did drugs, left their kids night after night and lied when they worked, got babysitting checks by having someone babysit and sign it over to them and on and on.

Even good, hard working people who were trying to get off the system, still felt like they had to cheat the system in order to get the boost they needed to get off because it was so difficult.

I'd like to know how the 10% of law-abiding people all ended up on isaintjohn? Where were you when I was struggling to work and watching all my friends blow their checks on garbage and come banging on my door to borrow cigarette money while their kids had no food?

I'm not saying anyone here is like that, but I saw a whole lot more people out there cheating the system and milking the gov for every penny they could get and just can't believe that it's stopped just like that.

There's nothing wrong with people expressing their opinions about it. It's not against the good guys. If you know you are doing right by your government and not cheating the system, then obviously none of the comments in these threads should be taken as attacks.

I take no offense, knowing I worked hard and went to school, did what I had to do. But, honesty is a starting point and the cold hard truth is, there are way too many people out there who are leaching the system. They could be homeless elsewhere, but cry out over the government not giving them enough to live on when they don't deserve it in the first place.

I won't apologize for these comments because they aren't directed at anyone other than the people who are leaching off the system.

If you're ill, a parent who's got good reason to be home with your child/ren, elderly etc... whatever, then I have complete respect for your situation and don't mean any offense.

Cherry Pop
02-01-2007, 09:49 AM
I definately have something to say here!! First of all I don't drink, don't smoke, and don't do drugs! Any "nice things" I have, I got while I was working and could afford them. On income assistance you can't afford "nice things"! With all the bills from rent, "basic" phone sevice, heat, etc. I barely have enough money left for groceries after everything is paid out. A lot of the time, I have to put my groceries on a credit card because I simply can't afford food! Then it takes me months to pay on the amount I put on the credit card. I can only hardly afford the basics of life being on assistance and I definately am not better off than the working family!! I have worked before I got sick and worked hard. I have now seen both sides - being poor and being not poor. I'll take working and being not poor, thank you. The stress I have everyday while being on assistance is unreal, worrying every moment how I'll pay for basic things like milk and bread. I never had to worry about that when I was working. I am hoping that my next surgery will put a end to my health problems that I will finally be well to carry on with my life - to finally get my life back. You see I for one have a valid reason for being on assistance right now - I can't do most things other people do right now. I don't have a life - I have to sit home on my couch and do nothing. Let me tell you it is no fun! I can barely play with my kid - I want my life back, I want to work! I want energy to play with my kid! I want to be able to go out and do fun things but at this moment I can't. My mind is great, my body isn't! I am tired of being sick and I am tired of being on assistance. Most of all I am tired of peoples attitudes of people who are on assistance! Not everyone is sponging the system. Being sick isn't the only valid reason to be on assistance, I'm just using my situation as an example. I certainly hope the people on here who look down at the people on assistance never have to be on it because then they would see the discrimination and the hardships of being on it. I don't wish anyone to be in my situation at all and I for one can feel compassion for people who have it hard!

Cherry Pop
02-01-2007, 10:12 AM
FYI to the person who started this post: I worked and went to college through most of my sickness and after my first few surgeries. It has only been the last few years that I couldn't work, mainly from having to travel to Ontario every 4-6 months for surgery and due to the complications from my surgeries!

hyjack
02-01-2007, 10:40 AM
see my whole point of view on this subject is based around my own family and the reason im bias about this is because for the first part of my life i grew up on social assistance and as soon as i graduated from high school at 17 i told myself i wasn't going to be lie them because with myself working my butt off through high school and nbcc i know have a job as an auditor and im basically shunned from my family because i have did something with my life and their point of view particuarlly my sisters point of view is it's easier to have sex and get more babies for money than go out and get a *removed* job but thats why im bitter on this subject peace out

puppyluv
02-01-2007, 12:10 PM
Good for you hyjack! Be proud of your accomplishments!!
You broke the cycle for yourself and you deserve kudo's because what we are hearing is that is isnt easy or viable for many!
good stuff to you hyjack!:biggrin:

Goin4Coffee
02-01-2007, 12:13 PM
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Tara
02-01-2007, 12:50 PM
This is in reply to the person who thinks fraud is perfectly fine. If i know someone is collecting a check and has someone living with them and they're not on the check as well, i will call and report them. I quite frankly don't care. Fraud is fraud. And quite frankly, I don't want to hear the sob stories. It's abusing the system. Not that you care. I had my son at 18, collected maternity and assistance topped up for me. I was also going to school at the time. In fact I went back for afternoons when my son was 2 weeks old. Was it hard? Damn right it was! But then again life is hard but I dealt with it. Quite well I might add. I must have stayed on assistance for 3 years total. During that time I furthered my education, and worked because I was going to "earn" the HAND UP I was getting from the government. That's what it's there for. And yes I lived on my own, managed to pay my bills, etc. I didn't feel the need to hit the bars or have a "night on the town" because quite frankly, I couldn't afford it! To me, that money is better used elseware, extra fruits and veggies, extra clothes for my son, etc. So obviously I have been there done that and I am not ashamed of getting help because I worked hard. It's there for a reason and it should be used properly. Unfortunately it's abused way too often and it gives the people who truely need it a bad name.

As for having more kids to get more money, I see it way too often and it's sickening!!! I know woman who get pregnant when their child turns 18 just so that they can keep on collecting!!! And there are the other ones who basically keep farting out more kids for more money on their check. I can think of 1 who is trying for #4 so she can get more money!! There needs to be some sort of limit for this sort of thing. Obviously there are special situations, but you know which ones i am talking about. Alright, i'm getting way too angry now, better stop here.

vanessalynn5484
02-01-2007, 03:30 PM
This is kind of off topic and I apologize, but....

I don't understand how people think having lots of children is easier than getting a full time job. I have two children under two (who I love dearly) and being a stay at home mom was the hardest (and most rewarding) job I ever had. I would rather work 7 days a week than have 4 children to tend too (if you are looking at it from a making money perspective)!

Tara
02-01-2007, 03:38 PM
I don't get it either, but unfortunately that's what some people do

hyjack
02-02-2007, 02:42 AM
yup i agree there are some special arrangements but for the majority more kids means more $$$$$$$

corkyjim
02-02-2007, 10:06 AM
I worked in a local grocery store for many years, before it finally closed down. The majority of our customers were from the Uptown/South End area. A lot of them were welfare recipients that cashed their cheques at our store every month. The policy at the time was the customer had to spend 10% of their cheque on groceries in order for us to cash it for them. 80% of these shoppers would spend the majority of the 10% on tobacco products. Their grocery order usually consisted of a cheap, unhealthy selection of foods. No produce. No fresh meat. It really bothered me at times, to serve some of these people.
A lot of them just kept having babies. I could never understand why. Heck, I watched a lot of these babies grow up.
Most of the families that cashed their cheques at our store would be right back in a week or two later, with a food voucher from one of the local churches. The vouchers would list what they were allowed to buy with itÖFOOD ONLYÖ It was always a fight trying to explain to these people that they could not buy tobacco with the vouchers.

Iím not knocking welfare recipients in general. Iím just talking about the experiences Iíve had over the 8 years that I worked there, seeing the exact same people from month to month, cashing a welfare cheque, then heading down the parking lot to the liquor store. Then of course, having more babies every year or so. It disgusted me.

Isnít income assistance supposed to be a TEMPORARY solution?

I have been fortunate enough to never have had to draw a welfare cheque and I can guarantee that I will never have to use one. I would not put myself in a situation where I would need one. Iíve struggled financially over the years, but everything I own, I earned.

I would much rather see MY tax paying dollars go towards better health care, education etc rather than to someone whoís leached the system for far too many years.

sjchickie
02-02-2007, 09:33 PM
I agreed with everything you said up until the part where you said..you would never put yourself in the situation to need one.

I think that is a very ignorant remark. Not calling you Ignorant just merley stating that there are many many situations where people are forced to draw upon welfare due to losing a job, leaving an abusive spouse, having a disablility, being homeless, and Im sure many others. Many, Many people do not choose the hands they are dealt in life and I think its unfair to say something so harsh.

Those who abuse the system should be penalized. Those who don't should continue on with it until they are steady on their feet. Bottom line

babydoll101
02-02-2007, 10:23 PM
I agreed with everything you said up until the part where you said..you would never put yourself in the situation to need one.

I think that is a very ignorant remark. Not calling you Ignorant just merley stating that there are many many situations where people are forced to draw upon welfare due to losing a job, leaving an abusive spouse, having a disablility, being homeless, and Im sure many others. Many, Many people do not choose the hands they are dealt in life and I think its unfair to say something so harsh.

Those who abuse the system should be penalized. Those who don't should continue on with it until they are steady on their feet. Bottom line

Well put!!

tred816
02-03-2007, 12:11 AM
I agree. Most people don't choose to be on income assistance, but a few do.
I was 15 years old when I had my first child. I was just a kid, but instead of being another statistic, I fought the battle and won. I work my *** off and love my independant lifestyle, but I earned it.
I'm 30 now, have a 15 year old daughter, an 11 year old son and an 8 year old daughter. It wasn't easy. I wasn't one of the ones who "farted out babies" as Tara so elegantly put it:rofl: lol. I just got pg every time I turned around so I had my tubes tied. No more babies for me.

It sounds like there are a lot of people here who deserve some applause. It's very hard on your self-esteem when you end up on assistance.

Unfortunately, the few individuals who use the system make it harder for the ones who actually need it.

I would like to say, "Way to go!" to all the people who fought the system and are now self-sufficient. It's tough to do. It is much easier to stay home and accept your fate, but you've taken some major steps.

For anyone struggling to get off the system and stay off, it is a hard road, but one that is worth the travel.

For CherryPop and anyone else struggling with medical or physical reasons for the position you are in...you are in a class of your own. You shouldn't feel like you are being judged by me or anyone else here.

There should be a different category you fall into rather then the "welfare" status. Yours is a dissability and it can't be helped.

I feel for you because you have to battle a physical illness, but in the midst of it, you are also battling a social "illness". The stigma of being a drain on society doesn't belong to you.

Your situation(s) are the reason for assistance existing to begin with and you are justified in receiving it. I wish you all the best in your progress towards a more healthy life.

corkyjim
02-03-2007, 12:10 PM
I agreed with everything you said up until the part where you said..you would never put yourself in the situation to need one.

I think that is a very ignorant remark. Not calling you Ignorant just merley stating that there are many many situations where people are forced to draw upon welfare due to losing a job, leaving an abusive spouse, having a disablility, being homeless, and Im sure many others. Many, Many people do not choose the hands they are dealt in life and I think its unfair to say something so harsh.

Those who abuse the system should be penalized. Those who don't should continue on with it until they are steady on their feet. Bottom line

I agree. My remark may have sounded a little ignorant and I apologize...BUT..I have taken steps over the years to make sure I was never in a situation to have to ask for financial assistance. If I lost my job, and allowed my EI to run out without finding a suitable job for me at the wage that I deserve, I would work two jobs at minimum wage just to cover myself financially, until I found something worth being permanent. To me,personally, it would be less humiliating to work at a minimum wage job than to cash a welfare cheque every month.
I understand that there are people that need it, due to unfortunate circumstances. I have absolutely nothing harsh to say about them. It's the people that abuse it and use it as a permanent income. I feel it's totally unacceptable.

What really bothers me, is if someone works consistently for 5, 10, 20 or even 30 years and loses their job, E.I is only good for 11 months. Even after the employee has paid into it for so many years and has earned every penny of EI. The EI assistance only lasts a short period. That's not fair.
There really should be a "time limit" for income assistance. Someone shouldn't be allowed to collect it for more than a specific time period. Unless they are physically or mentally unable to work.

Again, I apologize to anyone who took that remark the wrong way. Everything I said is just my personal opinion.